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# Episode 28: Workplace Transformation With Nellie Hayat of VergeSense
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-28-nellie-hayat/
- Published: 2021-05-04T12:00:34.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-08T15:16:18.000Z
- Description: A wide-ranging conversation on a bunch of important and interrelated issues.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

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[](https://www.linkedin.com/in/nellie-hayat/?ref=philsimon.com)[Nellie Hayat](https://www.linkedin.com/in/nellie-hayat/?ref=philsimon.com), head of Workplace Transformation at VergeSense, pops by. We discuss [HSBC's decision to abandon offices for its top brass](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/business/hsbc-exec-office-canary-wharf/index.html?ref=philsimon.com), performance management, trust, changes in real estate, transparency, and Stripe.

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