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# Episode 37: Making Work More Fun With Pim de Morree
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-37-pim-de-morree/
- Published: 2021-07-06T12:00:10.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-08T15:16:17.000Z
- Description: The iconoclast co-founder of Corporate Rebels is today's guest.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

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Pim de Morree joins me. He's the co-founder of [Corporate Rebels](https://www.corporate-rebels.com/?ref=philsimon.com) and co-author of [*Corporate Rebels: Make work more fun*](https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Rebels-Make-work-more/dp/9083004805?philsim-20&ref=philsimon.com). We talk about self-management, employee trust, Spotify, hybrid work, e-commerce, and the world coming around to his line of thinking.

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