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# Episode 43: Bridging the IT-Business Divide With Chris Fenning
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-43-chris-fenning/
- Published: 2021-08-17T16:50:30.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-08T15:16:16.000Z
- Description: Why it's essential to think about communication in non-binary terms.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

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Smart bloke [Chris Fenning](https://chrisfenning.com/?ref=philsimon.com) is my guest today. We talk about communication styles, types, the English neo-prog band Marillion, and his award-winning book [*The First Minute: How to Start Conversations That Get Results*](https://www.amazon.com/Chris-Fenning/e/B08N111N4B&?philsim-20&ref=philsimon.com).

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