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# Episode 53: Indirect Influence With Vanessa Bohns
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-53-vanessa-bohns/
- Published: 2021-11-09T16:50:33.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-08T15:16:15.000Z
- Description: Think that you should skip that meeting even if you're going to keep quiet? Maybe you shouldn't.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, Amazon, WFH

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[](https://www.vanessabohns.com/?ref=philsimon.com)[Vanessa Bohns](https://www.vanessabohns.com/?ref=philsimon.com) joins me today. She is a social psychologist and professor of organizational behavior at Cornell University. Her new book is [*You Have More Influence Than You Think: How We Underestimate Our Power of Persuasion, and Why It Matters*](https://www.amazon.com/Have-More-Influence-Than-Think-ebook/dp/B08X2Z2DSM/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?crid=P0V5YX77UQGL&dchild=1&keywords=Vanessa+Bohns&qid=1635874634&s=books&sprefix=vanessa+bohns%2Cstripbooks%2C118&sr=1-1?philsim-20&ref=philsimon.com). We talk about power, hybrid work, virtue signaling, destination weddings, pronouns, and the benefits of showing up to meetings even when you don't speak.

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