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# Episode 56: Intentionality With Dr. Sahar Yousef of Berkeley and Josh Zerkel of Asana
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-56-dr-sahar-yousef-josh-zerkel/
- Published: 2021-12-07T16:50:34.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-08T15:16:15.000Z
- Description: I've got two guests this week. Power in numbers, baby.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, Amazon, WFH

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[](https://www.linkedin.com/in/saharyousef/?ref=philsimon.com)[Dr. Sahar Yousef](https://www.linkedin.com/in/saharyousef/?ref=philsimon.com) of Berkeley and [Josh Zerkel](https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuazerkel/?ref=philsimon.com) of Asana join me. We talk about work about work (that's not a typo), the role technology plays in employee burnout, Slack, context-switching, intentionality, trust, and clarity. We also discuss Asana's fascinating [Anatomy of Work Report](https://resources.asana.com/rs/784-XZD-582/images/PDF-FY21-Global-EN-Anatomy%20of%20Work%20Report.pdf?ref=philsimon.com).

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