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# Episode 72: Making No-Code Happen With Chaya Gutnick and Avi Hercenberg
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-72-avi-hercenberg-chaya-gutnick/
- Published: 2022-10-25T16:50:38.000Z
- Updated: 2025-07-01T21:01:45.000Z
- Description: I sit down with two experts for a bit of role-play.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

[Chaya Gutnick](https://www.linkedin.com/in/chayagutnick/?ref=philsimon.com) and [Avi Hercenberg](https://www.linkedin.com/in/avihercenberg/?ref=philsimon.com) join me to talk about the staggering amount of choice in the LC/NC world. Other topics include consulting, enterprise systems, HubSpot, Apple, [SmartSuite](https://smartsuite.grsm.io/h0rr4y8glecv?ref=philsimon.com), and supply chains.

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