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# Episode 73: Building a No-Code Company With Jon Darbyshire
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-73-jon-darbyshire/
- Published: 2022-11-01T16:50:38.000Z
- Updated: 2025-07-02T20:07:25.000Z
- Description: The SmartSuite CEO and co-founder pops by to talk about the industry, his company, and the future of low-code/no-code.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

Jon Darbyshire joins me today. He’s the CEO and co-founder of [SmartSuite](https://www.smartsuite.com/?ref=philsimon.com). We talk about efficiency, automation, how he started his company, Notion, VC funding, and whether we’ll ultimately all wind up using a single app.

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