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# Episode 78: The Empathy Advantage With Chris Shipley
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-78-chris-shipley/
- Published: 2023-03-28T16:50:39.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-14T19:14:35.000Z
- Description: Chris and I talk about a number of interesting work-related issues, including where we go from here.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, WFH

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[Chris Shipley](https://www.cshipley.com/?ref=philsimon.com) joins me today. We talk about four-day workweeks, pandemic-based relocation, and her new book [*The Empathy Advantage*](https://www.amazon.com/Empathy-Advantage-Leading-Empowered-Workforce-ebook/dp/B0BXBM6MJ5/?philsim-20&ref=philsimon.com).