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# Episode 80: Saying No With Dr. Vanessa Patrick
- URL: https://www.philsimon.com/podcast/episode-80-vanessa-patrick/
- Published: 2023-06-13T16:50:40.000Z
- Updated: 2025-06-14T21:33:05.000Z
- Description: A chat with the author about priorities, being assertive, and how we collaborate with others.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Podcast, Citizen Development, LCNC book

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Dr. Vanessa Patrick joins me today. We talk about her new book [*The Power of Saying No: The New Science of How to Say No That Puts You in Charge of Your Life*](https://www.amazon.com/Power-Saying-No-Science-Charge/dp/1728251524?philsim-20&ref=philsimon.com).